Subj: RE: WOW, Fort Greeley Correspondence.Reply Date: 4/17/2002 8:10:42 AM Pacific Daylight Time From: BubbaSip To: Marv.Sumner@ONIZUKA.AF.MIL CC: BubbaSip Hi Marve, thanks once more for your most enjoyable tunes from the past. I will enter this also in the KTS Guest book for all to enjoy. Could you add a little about the stations, equipment, years of operations, employee complement, and mission. You seem to know more about this station than I have seen so far. I will enter all Fort Greeley information in the Annette and Fort Greeley Chapters. This is now labeled Miscellaneous. This will change in a week, to separate chapters for each station. Troops that send me this super information will have their names tagged to the information as the authors of the various pieces. Any photos you might have, I can reproduce in my home and send back. You could send E mail also. ============================ I was in Kodiak from June 1963 through June 1972. Sunnyvale from then until DEC, 1 1997, when I retired I got laid off. They were doing this to five of us old timers because we made to much money and we reached age 55. Well, this had me pissed bad. I told my supervisor who was a complete jerk, Ken Gridly, that I will sue for age discrimination unless I receive the max severance package. (27 weeks max) 1.15 hours after I mention this bit of information to him, I had it in writing. I was laid off the Friday after Thanksgiving, Dec. 1, 1997. I filed for retirement after 36 years with Lockheed. The other five decided to Retire. They received NO severance package because of the way they went. I didn't feel it was my place to inform them of what I was up to. Maybe these dates I present above, might indicate why I didn't know of Al. Thanks again, for all your valuable information bob ========================================================================= Subj: RE: WOW, Fort Greeley Correspondence.. Date: 4/17/2002 7:35:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time From: Marv.Sumner@ONIZUKA.AF.MIL To: BubbaSip@aol.com, Sent from the Internet (Details) Well, if Bob doesn't remember Al, I sure do -- we worked together, I don't know how long in Sunnyvale. As for Ft. Greeley, I visited there one winter in, probably, 1964. The place was active, working one constellation of polar birds using what later came to be known as "bent-pipe" tracking: no data processing on site. Just track & receive, send data south in realtime, receive commands from the South & transmit. Two very memorable events of that trip: 1. There was a dead moose lying just outside the fence -- killed by a bear. The site guys wanted to hop the fence & recover the antlers, but the site manager said no. The bear was occasionally seen coming back for lunch and might enjoy a change of menu: warm techrep in place of cold moose. 2. As we arrived on site, the snow plow had just knocked over a fire hydrant and a substantial mountain of ice was rapidly building in the sub-zero temperature. The ice was covering the water shut-off valve, so guys with chainsaws were trying to cut a hole to get at the valve. The effort took all day, so the kitchen and bathrooms were out of service for the duration of our one-day visit. Regards to all, Marv Sumner -----Original Message----- From: BubbaSip@aol.com [mailto:BubbaSip@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 7:53 PM To: AFSCFHistory@aol.com; howiea@infowest.com; dleyva@charter.net; Charlie.Green@onizuka.af.mil; DHaase4@aol.com; jpl@digital-star.com; ian.mcclelland@lmco.com; eamcmahon95014@yahoo.com; Mykowalsky@aol.com; nelson07@pacbell.net; bolson99@harris.com; william.pearce@afscn.com; WL7AML@ARRL.NET; Marv.Sumner@onizuka.af.mil; Turcoje@aol.com; KWakef2156@aol.com; RWoll@scitor.com; bspink@harris.com Cc: BubbaSip@aol.com Subject: WOW, Fort Greeley Correspondence.. Subj: Regarding, Fort Greeley Date: 4/16/2002 7:45:19 PM Pacific Daylight Time From: BubbaSip To: lagenour@earthlink.net CC: BubbaSip Hi: AL Lagenour. 4.16.2002 You name off hand does not sound familiar. No problem, there's thousands of SCF/SCN troops I don't know, shame on me. My Web site started out to be for Kodiak Tracking Station, KTS. Now anyone that has worked in the past in the Satellite Control Facility, (older days), and Satellite Control Network, currently, I encourage to write me. I do appreciate very much you sharing your prior SCF/N experiences with me. I will have it incorporated into the area of the web site talking about Annette and Now more of Fort Greeley. I also will have this e mail logged in my guest book also, for all to enjoy. I don't know if you are aware: Philco Tech Reps have a site of their own. Most of them, if not all, are the original "Range Rats". http://hometown.aol.com/philcotr I read an article recently, regarding the Government is going to build a missile site somewhere in Fort Greeley, 2004. I guess you are aware, there is a Launch Base for the Launch of Com. Birds with Lockheed Boosters on Kodiak Island? I will find the Web site if you don't already have it. Please send me any photo's you may have of that site or others, and any other items of the Range History. You can e mail them or send ! in snail mail to: I have facilities in my home, to duplicate, scan, print, copy anything, including photos. Thanks for the super information. Bob Siptrott Bob Siptrott 2672 Red Bud Lane Yuba City, CA 95993-9360 Thanks so much for the super input. Bob Siptrott Subj: Ft. Greeley Date: 4/16/2002 6:54:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time From: lagenour@earthlink.net To: BubbaSip@AOL.com Sent from the Internet (Details) Just found your site and was reading the E-mails and seeing a lot of familiar names from days past. I never made it to Kodiak, but hit all the other sites in my AF, FACC, Loral days. As a response to Warren's Ft. Greely questions; I was in the AF at the Blue Cube about 1979 when I went to Ft. Greely with Bill Shockley (DLM manager)and D. K. Jones (DLM Mechanic), to pull old gearboxes out of the antenna for use as rebuildable spares for INDI. The antenna was a sister to INDI's w/ hydraulics. I was told that the site had been abandoned some 11 years before. The Army base commander there told us that the site had been used by a "bunch of hippies" one time and they had poked holes in the radome and trashed the place. It sure seemed strange that everywhere we found holes punched out of the radome, there was 223 caliber blank shell casings laying around (well armed hippies I guess). The Radome (North American I think) was amazingly still sound considering 11 years of neglect, three foot holes cut out around the base ring, and one hell of a wind blowing through. Anyway, we slid around in some pretty rancid hydraulic fluid that had been tracked all over the place by the soldiers playing war games. We pulled several pieces of hardware and shipped back to Sunnyvale. I think that shortly after our visit, a local contractor got the salvage rights to chop everthing up. Somewhere in my tons of pictures I have photos of the site and our trip. If this of interest to anyone I can probably find them and scan them. I used to keep one picture in my desk just to play "Name the RTS" with some Range Rats. Sure would be nice to have a Website like your's for the whole AFSCF/AFSCN RTS. How about "RANGE RATS R US" AL Lagenour Creatively Unemployed Has been/used to be: AF: SAMSO SAFSP Comm. Blue Cube Range Maintenance Manager FACC/LORAL NSP: IRAN Team Chief ESMC: DTF/NDL Manager Tech Advisor, RTS Site Integration Supervisor, Network Integration